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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:30:00 -
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A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:34:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage. Wen't 19/TWELVE because of some ass hat scout running around with a bolt pistol
Yea bolt pistol is crazy. There should be no way it should be doing the damage it is. It literally is a better sniper than the sniper rifle.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:37:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:I love IRL comparisons...
They are railguns, bruh.
Big railgun does less damage than small railgun? Small railgun has 10x better hit detection?
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:44:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago?
Umm no.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:48:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no. Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight.
You might as well call every thread asking for change a cry-complain thread.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote: Whine @ one of the only few sidearms that works
If it was OP, it would be FOTM.Bolt =/= FOTM Bolt =/= OP
1. Almost all sidearms other than the ion pistol are useful
2. A lot of suits use this weapon
3. This is a comparison between the Sidearm and Light weapon of the same kind. The Sniper Rifles equivalent in a Sidearm is a Bolt pistol just like Combat Rifle is to SMG and Magsec is to Railgun and Flaylock is to Mass driver.
The Sidearm weapon is much superior/too good compared to the Primary weapon.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:06:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no. Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight. You might as well call every thread asking for change a cry-complain thread. Depends on the tone, pacing, (lack of) evidence used, OPs post history, etc, but yes, i usually do on unwarranted cry-threads. Like this one. Love ya Dukes! 
I presented the evidence but just encase you require more- here- a Bolt Pistol at Proto has 134 RoF and 251.5 damage with a .48 second start up charge compared to a Ishukone Sniper which does 250 damage and has RoF of 50.
Anyway- It is just wrong that a pistol is out preforming it's equivalent in a Primary weapon.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:20:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this.
It's either or, nerf bolt pistol or buff sniper rifle damage.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:26:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Should a Pistol do the same damage as a Sniper per shot?? Think about it, you don't see Pistols in real life doing more damage than a freking 50. cal sniper. You don't see RPG's doing more damage that those 150mm Artillery Tank shells. 1.) The Regular Sniper Rifle shouldn't be though of like a .50 cal. That's more of the Charges Snipers thing. The Regular Sniper should be though of as more of like a 7.62 rifle, which is a more standard sniper rifle. 2.) There are pistols IRL that pack more punch than a .50, a .900 Nitro Express for example. 3.) Modern Tank turrets are typically 120mm, not 150mm. 4.) A handheld TOW missile absolutely outclasses a 120mm tank shell. 5.) This is a game. Stop trying to draw parallels between it and real life. Its ******* dumb and I feel stupid for stooping down to your level and doing it. Stop.
Generally speaking Sniper do more damage than Pistols.
Also, I didn't mean to put the tank part in, I was just taking about artillery guns.
Also, A TOW missile vs Artillery Gun is more of a Equal vs Equal. I was going off inferior vs superior. Superior- Artillery gun vs inferior(size and damage wise) RPG.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:36:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this. It's either or, nerf bolt pistol or buff sniper rifle damage. Buff Pistol Damage and Nerf Sniper Damage. That's my choice.
How about we also make bolt pistols auto locking and do 9999 damage per shot always head shotting with unlimited ammo and range. We should also make it so that if somebody spawns with a bolt pistol, every one on enemy team dies instantly . Happy?
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